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Love behind the hate: The Laf angle

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The Editor in Chief of The Lafayette shares her perspective on the rivalry....

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Joe

posted 11/16/09 @ 2:18 PM EST

Stop that!

The simple fact is that rivalry days have become nothing more than an excuse to abuse yourself and others.

First, you argue that the drunken debauchery might allow for the fact that "[m]emories are made." Those memories come at the direct expense of civility, responsibility, and (in many cases) the law. In what has become functionally a college-sanctioned free-for-all on campus property, students and alumni actively encourage underage and binge drinking because that is what they were taught to do by now a century of tradition.

Next, you argue that the active expression of hate to another person is somehow cathartic. That seems to be in direct conflict with the frustration and anger that sets in when someone just wants to walk across campus that day and gets verbally and physically assaulted for wearing their school's colors. I guess the fact that _you_ enjoyed it makes it okay.

Finally, you argue that the "hate we have during game day is very much rooted in a love I think we all have for being young." There is no possible world in which this comment is justified. I cannot walk into downtown Easton and shoot someone without punishment simply because I did it to feel young again. That feeling doesn't make the action good, nor does it prevent the pain that I have caused.

This is the school's paper. It has at least some obligation to report the facts as unfettered by popular belief. Instead, this article seems to be a large campus-wide P.R. move that only entrenches an already degrading system. Worse, the author is a very intelligent and well-connected girl whose opinion (if that is the contents of this article) actually has sway with some very important people whose job should be the safety and security of its student body.

Phalange '04

posted 11/17/09 @ 11:22 AM EST

Holy crap Joe, lighten the eff up!

I can't even think about what point in your incoherent diatribe to argue against first. Needless to say, you need to [censored for content] in the worst possible way.


Originally posted by

Joe

Stop that!

The simple fact is that rivalry days have become nothing more than an excuse to abuse yourself and others.

First, you argue that the drunken debauchery might allow for the fact that "[m]emories are made." Those memories come at the direct expense of civility, responsibility, and (in many cases) the law. In what has become functionally a college-sanctioned free-for-all on campus property, students and alumni actively encourage underage and binge drinking because that is what they were taught to do by now a century of tradition.

Next, you argue that the active expression of hate to another person is somehow cathartic. That seems to be in direct conflict with the frustration and anger that sets in when someone just wants to walk across campus that day and gets verbally and physically assaulted for wearing their school's colors. I guess the fact that _you_ enjoyed it makes it okay.

Finally, you argue that the "hate we have during game day is very much rooted in a love I think we all have for being young." There is no possible world in which this comment is justified. I cannot walk into downtown Easton and shoot someone without punishment simply because I did it to feel young again. That feeling doesn't make the action good, nor does it prevent the pain that I have caused.

This is the school's paper. It has at least some obligation to report the facts as unfettered by popular belief. Instead, this article seems to be a large campus-wide P.R. move that only entrenches an already degrading system. Worse, the author is a very intelligent and well-connected girl whose opinion (if that is the contents of this article) actually has sway with some very important people whose job should be the safety and security of its student body.

sticking up for the so-called enemy

posted 11/16/09 @ 2:33 PM EST

This writer, who apparently so generously decided to write an op-ed for her rival school's newspaper, is not in any way promoting violence. The fact that you escalate her point to something involving guns means you completely misunderstand the actual light-hearted nature of our rivalry. Instead, the author is emphasizing that although Lehigh and Lafayette claim to "hate" each other on game day, they are really only enjoying good competition. All you did with your comment is create a previously-inexistent gap between the two schools by insulting a Lafayette student's column published in a Lehigh newspaper. Way to go.

Joe

posted 11/19/09 @ 4:06 PM EST

Originally posted by

sticking up for the so-called enemy

The fact that you escalate her point to something involving guns means...


1. I ... I didn't write about guns? Where are the guns? Violence comes in many forms and realizing that is the first step toward solving social inequality. But I digress.

[QUOTE id="0693d817-3d6d-496f-b54b-6de8907b5814"]All you did with your comment is create a previously-inexistent gap between the two schools by insulting a Lafayette student's column published in a Lehigh newspaper. Way to go.[/QUOTE]

2. I am a Lafayette alumn. That means that any claim that I am trying to chastise Jayne simply for going to school there is incoherent at best. I think she's a wonderful person who wrote a problematic article.

[QUOTE id="0693d817-3d6d-496f-b54b-6de8907b5814"]...you completely misunderstand the actual light-hearted nature of our rivalry.[/QUOTE]

3. The claim that I "misunderstand" the "nature of our rivalry" is probably false since I spent four years attending Lafayette, but is definitely incoherent as a response to the above post. My claim is not that the rivalry isn't motivated by some light-hearted attempt at competition. My claim is that regardless of its motivation it is a bad thing. I argue that the *intent* of the people endorsing the event ought to be ignored in favor of the *content* of the event itself.

4. To the above poster whose only response was, "lighten up:" That suggestion is at best non-responsive to any claim in my response. Certainly the censored expletives aren't an argument. So I don't understand your post. Are you just finding new ways to say TLDR?

lame

posted 11/17/09 @ 10:54 PM EST

"But for that one November weekend of rivalry, rage and general debauchery - it's on. And it's fantastic."

Soo you guys only celebrate for a weekend? that's cool i guess

why publish this?

Brian

posted 11/18/09 @ 1:31 PM EST

So Lafayette only hates Lehigh for a week? Some school spirit they've got. I don't know about you, but my hatred for that other college down the river is year round and will continue for a lifetime. We have no reason to be cordial with that safety school. We need to return to the good old days where raids and sabotages were common between the schools.
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